Ever pondered the richness of African culture and history, and what it has to teach us? Join us for a profound exploration as we unravel the mysteries of African identity and its ancient roots, with none other than Ndemi Waite as our guide. As the headmaster of Atenne Mystery School, Ndemi brings a new perspective and wisdom to the table, shining a light on the often forgotten Egyptian history.
Digging deeper into the fabric of African culture, we dive into the profound impact of religion on African societies, particularly Christianity. Our candid discussion reveals how it served as a tool for colonisation and gave rise to false preachers. We also touch on the unique spiritual practices of Africa, many of which are deeply ingrained in everyday life. Reflecting on the depiction of African cultures in the Bible, we find ourselves in awe of their significance and their connection to our modern belief systems.
In a turn of direction, we venture into the world of ancient African religions and their influence on today's practices. From the enigmatic African mystery schools to the profound teachings of Gnosticism and Kabbalah, prepare to widen your horizons. Wrapping up our enlightening journey, we leave you with a call to challenge the mainstream narrative of African history and culture, and a reminder about the power of self-love, acceptance, and positive discourse.
Tune in for an episode that promises to be as thought-provoking as it is enlightening.
Host: Fungai Mutsiwa
Instagram: @blackfor30
Guest: Ndemi Waite
Instagram @ndemi_
BlackFor30 is a place for your voice to be heard. DM us your thoughts and questions @blackfor30 or via email at admin@blackfor30.com.
Ever pondered the richness of African culture and history, and what it has to teach us? Join us for a profound exploration as we unravel the mysteries of African identity and its ancient roots, with none other than Ndemi Waite as our guide. As the headmaster of Atenne Mystery School, Ndemi brings a new perspective and wisdom to the table, shining a light on the often forgotten Egyptian history.
Digging deeper into the fabric of African culture, we dive into the profound impact of religion on African societies, particularly Christianity. Our candid discussion reveals how it served as a tool for colonisation and gave rise to false preachers. We also touch on the unique spiritual practices of Africa, many of which are deeply ingrained in everyday life. Reflecting on the depiction of African cultures in the Bible, we find ourselves in awe of their significance and their connection to our modern belief systems.
In a turn of direction, we venture into the world of ancient African religions and their influence on today's practices. From the enigmatic African mystery schools to the profound teachings of Gnosticism and Kabbalah, prepare to widen your horizons. Wrapping up our enlightening journey, we leave you with a call to challenge the mainstream narrative of African history and culture, and a reminder about the power of self-love, acceptance, and positive discourse.
Tune in for an episode that promises to be as thought-provoking as it is enlightening.
Host: Fungai Mutsiwa
Instagram: @blackfor30
Guest: Ndemi Waite
Instagram @ndemi_
BlackFor30 is a place for your voice to be heard. DM us your thoughts and questions @blackfor30 or via email at admin@blackfor30.com.
They were found in Africa. They weren't found in Europe. They weren't found in Middle East. They were found in Africa.
Speaker 2:And are they currently in a museum in Egypt?
Speaker 1:I don't know what they did with them, because they've stolen everything. The only thing that they didn't steal was the pyramids. Yeah, because they couldn't take them, because the pyramids couldn't fit in their museums. I have a dream today. Is it too much to ask you to grant us human dignity? Who taught you to hate the texture of your hair? Who taught you to hate the color of your skin to such extent that you bleach?
Speaker 2:For so many, many years, we were told that only white people were beautiful. You're afraid that if you give us equal ground, that we will match you and we will override you.
Speaker 1:Black is beautiful Pretty good Say it. I want it free.
Speaker 2:Pretty good, I want to be a beautiful woman, which means don't forget who you are or where you came from. Welcome to Black for 30. What's up everybody? Thank you for tuning in to another episode. Before we get into it, we just need to observe just the 15 seconds, just be quiet, focus and just get ready for this conversation. So the 15 seconds starts now.
Speaker 2:Okay, welcome to this movement of consciousness that is Black for 30. And, of course, I'm your host, funga M Tua. So before we begin to talk about the role of ancient Egypt and Africa, I want to share this cautionary phrase, so to speak, which I hope will become clearer as we get deeper into this conversation A slave who is unaware of having lost his freedom will play no revolutionary role. So I hope this conversation implicitly addresses the apparent disconnect amongst Africans, at least in the way I see it, the dislike and hate between some Egyptians and Africans from other regions, feelings I believe really are born from a lack of knowledge and understanding of our shared history, because, at the end of the day, we are all Africans. So tonight I'm joined by the scribe, the Kabbalist. I think the other phrase is the Atene Shriner. Please introduce yourself to the rest of the world, yeah.
Speaker 1:As you've been told, my name is Demi Waite. I'm the headmaster of Atene Mystery School. Many things I'm basically a teacher, I'm an artist, I'm just creative and yeah.
Speaker 2:And we would definitely get to unpick some of that, because I definitely love your take on certain things and I'd want that to come out in the conversation. You know you've got a song titled and I may be mispronouncing this Arauka yeah, which I've been curious about. Can you explain what it's about?
Speaker 1:Arauka means it's time to wake up from this lumber that Africans are in. They're still asleep. Most of our people are sheep, you see, but we are correcting them with love.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay. So when you wrote that song, do you remember where you were mentally?
Speaker 1:Mentally. I was at that beginning stage of trying to just give people the basics of coming out from that plantation mentality. It's written in my mother tongue because I have to first start locally before even trying to widen my scope. Just want to try and liberate people who are, or send them liberating messages to people who are around, people who are close to me, people who can first understand my tongue.
Speaker 2:And I like that. You know the whole notion of you know, beginning at home. So, speaking of home, you know, a lot of people debate and deny the fact that ancient Egypt, or just Egypt itself, you know, was inhabited and ruled by blacks. And a lot of people believe that we were, as Africans, incapable of reason and philosophy. You know that we're merely savages who lacked sophistication to establish our own civilizations, and that's because we were, and some people still believe that we are, at the bottom of the human hierarchy.
Speaker 2:I think there's narratives that European anthropologists and historians, you know, have spread, which have highlighted two really important points, right? Firstly, that it's difficult for people to acknowledge that the European civilizations as we know them today would have borrowed the knowledge of medicine, geometry, you know, philosophy, parts of culture as well. You know, from the same people who they considered inferior, the Egyptians, right. And then the second point, I think, is that there's this moral justification they went through to rationalize why they were so brutal against us Africans. After all, you know, we were only savages, right, according to them. So why should it matter, as Africans, for us to learn about our pre-colonial history?
Speaker 1:Right. First. I wrote that song in Matatang because it's a very advanced vibration, it's very powerful and it's what it does to the child it starts the mental convolutions of the brain. So Matatang is not just about losing your culture because of externalization. It has a very advanced science and the knowledge is hidden in the language, just as we try and decipher the Meduneta. You can't understand Egypt using the Egyptology lens. If I see a hieroglyph or the name of a pharaoh or anything, I first have to know his name in the African town before what the Egyptologist mispronounces or says. For example, egypt is capital city Cairo and Cairo means a black man, so they can hide however they want. So Cairo is the same as Cairo From the K you can put, you can add an M and it has that Mayr or Muah, that Muah M and R has that Muah type of feel, so it shows black. So I'd love the the feel Arabs in Egypt to explain the name Cairo, what Cairo means.
Speaker 2:And that's one of the things why I like, in the sense that you have an interest in understanding the roots of words, right. And I find it powerful in two ways where, firstly, it shapes how we perceive the world out there and then, secondly, it helps us tie back to a root, you know, when you look into where things originated from, you know whether it's from an anthropological point of view or if it's archaeological, but then it helps you trace back to where you came from. So, with history and anthropology, right, they, they can prove that you know Ethiopian civilization, beget Egyptian civilization, which in turn, then, you know, beget civilization in the Mediterranean region, right. So around the Greece present day, and we have, you know, there's a multitude of kings and queens. You know whether it's Sosostris, akinaten, nefriti. You know we have great empires and dynasties that existed, you know, before, the Persians and the Ptolemy's, right. And then, even if you reference the texts I think they're called the Rathans, rath-shamma texts they show how a part of the Greek language actually borrowed from, you know, the Phoenicians, who in turn had borrowed from the Egyptians, right.
Speaker 2:So, as black people, we tend to compare ourselves against other races, almost as though our value is tied to that. You know, I find that there's an importance of mentioning this, you know, to put things into perspective and reframe how we think and how we see ourselves. Right, sure, but it's difficult to appreciate or love something we know very little about. You know so, and that's how I feel about the general African, in the sense that there's so much that we have not been taught and so much knowledge that we lack about our own culture. So how do we make this knowledge more accessible, not just to those who are curious enough to search for it, but, you know, even younger generations, so they're not having to wait. You know, I'll give myself an example I'm 33 and I'm only starting to know these things about my culture, you know. So it's surely we can't all be taking this long for us to become so acquainted and fall in love with our culture again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why we're here. Whatever you're doing, we pass our messages through oral tradition. We mostly don't. We don't read like yes, we don't read like the Caucasians. We, yes, we invented, we invented writing, but we're not always like in the Bible, in the Quran, in the Gita. Because that's. I'm a spiritual being by default. I don't need to, I don't need to strain myself, I don't need to always be open in books and all that.
Speaker 2:So you're really tapped into the system in a way.
Speaker 1:So of course, the awakening of the mind will also come with the times and astrology, because Aquarius is, we are entering Aquarius or we are sharing in Aquarius, and in Aquarius serious Aquarius is an air sign and the serious star is sending more light to the earth. More light means more knowledge, because when the tolam is ruled, it was spices and it was a dark age. That's when slavery happened, colonialism happened. It's not only about losing the culture and all that, and I'll give a narrative of Uganda, in Kenya, where in the in the 80s, the elephants were being poached and the elephants that were being born had small tasks that the poachers wouldn't. The elephants that were being born didn't have tasks or they had small tasks. So it was a spiritual way. It's how the spiritual side of nature counterattacked the poachers. The poachers did it understand that phenomenon of how an elephant is conscious that they're being harvested because of their tasks. You see, when you kill an animal, it doesn't know what you do with it, but the elephant is intelligent enough to know that the humans want my tasks.
Speaker 1:So the baby elephants didn't have tasks, or they were born without, or they had small tasks, so it was hard for the poachers to kill the elephant. That's what will happen to the whatever black race and the white race, because I don't even know why they are called races. It's like we are racing. So you will find that in the near future, in our lifetime, most of the people who took the descendants of the slave traders will become casual laborers and slaves of the black race.
Speaker 2:So you think everything is going to go reverse at some point and so the same way that we were oppressed and exploited by Europeans is going to be the same thing that will happen, but then this time we will be in that role.
Speaker 1:It's something you can't explain. It's just as the phenomena I've addressed about the elephants. It's something that you won't see. You'll just find yourself, because when you as a people, when you've decided that you won't change, you're building nuclear weapons that can finish the earth. It means you're not willing to change, so nature ends up dealing with you. But it's very rare to see a spiritual people who are people with melanin, taking people to slavery.
Speaker 2:I definitely don't think the answer should ever be with how us retaliating at a resentment, at a hatred or whatever the emotion is.
Speaker 1:It's a natural thing. It's nature will deal with them. It's not us or black people. Our agenda is not revenge, but just to rehabilitating the black man wherever he is.
Speaker 2:You know, like I definitely believe in the power of, you know, divorcing ourselves as much as possible from making comparisons to, you know, Europeans, or white people, or Asian people, whatever the case may be, because for a really long time that's been the narrative where we are always compared to someone else, right, and we always tend to be at the lower end of whatever that spectrum is. So I've gotten to a point where I denounced getting my value for who I am based of, you know, a comparison to another people or another group of people. History has taught me enough to the point where I realize that, to what you're saying, people don't seem to be learning the lesson right and at least enough to actually want to change. So until people are ready to, I think that's on them. But for us as a people, so for black people, I think we just have to get to a point where we draw the light in the sand, where we say you know, enough is enough. You know where we're not going to keep appealing for people to hear us if people don't want to hear us, so let's look after ourselves. And how do we do that? Because at least that we have some form of control over, as opposed to what some other person might think, or whether they're going to actually get up off their couches and do something about the fact that there's so many black people dying, there's so many black people being mistreated. That's where I'm at, I think.
Speaker 2:So, going back to that anthropology fields of history, there is a lack of representation of black anthropologists or historians, right, who study African concerns, and you mentioned this earlier. It is very important because without that cultural context, it's so easy to misinterpret a lot of things you know. So consider for a second how, you know, European languages share linguistic roots that are different to Africans, right? So the European anthropologists or historians will obviously lack that cultural context and become subject to deciphering our history, our traditions or our ideologies in a wrong way. You know, and I hear, or at least I see, a lot of conversations around Africa's linguistic unity, right? I know you have an interest, of course, in the original words. So do you believe it's possible for us to have a united language, so to speak, and where do you see it starting?
Speaker 1:We already have it. We already have Kisahili language that can unite. But already Africa is adapting Kisahili South Africa, all the southern countries and the whole of East Africa. They speak Kisahili language, which is predominantly Bantu.
Speaker 2:You know, I actually came across this really interesting article, I think this last week about some I think it was a prime minister or some minister of some sort I think it's in Brazil or somewhere in South America at least and they have introduced Swahili into the curriculum Because obviously, you know, there's obviously black people in South America Big population in Sao Paulo, for example. So apparently they're actually going to start introducing it into the curriculum, which I think is really cool.
Speaker 1:It's a very esoteric language. It's a very esoteric language and you can do a lot of unpacking with it. It's a highly esoteric language and it's very easy to learn, because that's what I studied in university, but at the advanced level of Swahili.
Speaker 2:So let's talk a little bit about religion. I see Christianity as having played three roles since it's been introduced in Africa. So there's the barring. You know, there's a part where it's borrowed some of its religious concepts from ancient Egypt, right, and I'm talking present day Christianity as we know it, you know, the Catholic Church, the Anglicans and so forth. And the second role is being used as a tool which facilitated our colonization Right, supplating our own religious beliefs and practices. And the third part is where it played as a doctrine that today has given rise to a multitude of false preachers.
Speaker 2:You know, when you look at what's going on in Africa right now, there's a lot of blasphemous preachers who are obviously taking advantage of the everyday person. So I'm not religious, but I strongly believe, as Africans, we should strive to learn of the origins of our own religions, as opposed to you know, willfully adopting practices and beliefs from other cultures. Right? So can you share about your religious path? Because I know, you know it's tied in within the theme of ancient Egypt, you know? So can you share about your religious path? You know why and how it started?
Speaker 1:So in my for my undergraduate I did Swahili and religious studies, so I encountered all religions. So so I can help a person who is starting by telling them this that all intricate belief systems are created by the black people. So I'm just going through on the subject of how African cultures were put inside the Bible, so, of course, christ being Horus and all that. We all know that.
Speaker 2:I think there's a lot of people who don't. Do you mind just briefly explaining how the adaptation of Horus then became Orthodox Christianity?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So even some of the stories that I've given, that I've said previously, maybe they're too advanced for the Khomani here Because they're not as in, they can't. If you're not inside, like the spirituality of Africa, you won't see, you won't see that. That's why, when we started I saying like we are not African, people don't spend all their time on on books like the Caucasian. We're not always reading Like take the Quran five times a day, take the Gita five times a day. That's for the people who don't have Melanie because they have a calcified pineal gland. They have to keep on reminding themselves that they are spiritual. But as a black person, you are spiritual by default. When you're at your highest frequency, you're supposed to be speaking to plants, speaking to trees.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I would slightly come at it from, I guess, like from a slightly different angle, like where I and we did have this conversation before, right, about when we think about where the world currently is around.
Speaker 2:Spirituality, you know, it's widely acceptable, but when I think about, for example, me being Zimbabwean and how I grew up, talking about spirit mediums or connecting to the spirits, was seen as being heretic. Right, and we were always told that that's, you know, the beliefs of almost savages, so to speak. Right, so we, naturally our society, then got pushed away from what we believed from our ancestors to then stop believing more in Christianity. Right, and that's how I see it play out, where today, now, you know, being spiritually aligned is seen, as you know, it's a lifestyle thing for today. You know, even you mentioned earlier that you know, when you look at Hinduism or if you look at Buddhism right, and we mentioned this in a last conversation that it'll be interesting to have a look at those different religions, to see where they originated from, because you know there is a likelihood that they would have originated from Africa and then, as the, I guess, great migration, as you'd want to call it, away from the continent, those practices and beliefs then spread out.
Speaker 1:Okay, it would the first thing that, if you want to know that all those intricate belief systems are African First, when you go to the Orthodox churches in Russia, greece, guatemala, italy, poland, turkey, they all have the Black Madonna in the child. When you talk about, when you go to Hinduism and Buddhism and all this Eastern philosophy things, they have this caste system where they put the Black people at the bottom of the caste. That's the first red flag of knowing that the Brahmins changed Eastern philosophy to fit in the narrative of the bleached Indian, because just saying Indian means black, hindu means black. The Hindus value, like in Egypt.
Speaker 2:Wow, okay, I didn't know that. I'm definitely going to look that up. But yeah, okay, keep going, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's why they have the Dalit people in India. The Dalit people are treated like. There's no way a person with hair that looks like an animal hair or a fa can be spiritual. The coil here is what puts that electromagnetism connection with source. That's the first red flag for all those Eastern philosophy. All all that because the more melanin dominated you are, the more spiritual you are. Because the Eastern philosophy wants to paint this picture of like, because they, they sit on their legs and do all this type of spiritual stuff that is normalized with the, the, the India. So people tend to think that there is something extra that they have, but in fact they have a deficiency. We don't need to do all this. All these teachings of calm and all that, they're all in African systems and we don't. We, we don't need to do much as an African people, we don't have to read, we don't have to strain, we don't have to pray five times a day.
Speaker 2:So why do you think it's? The level of spirituality is related to race for you.
Speaker 1:Because the moment, the moment you bring about, the moment you show your child that spirituality is Neanderthal based, the child will grow knowing that the Neanderthal is where we run to for spirituality Christianity, hinduism, judaism and all that. But the origins of Judaism, the origins of Islam, the origin of Eastern philosophy, is black people.
Speaker 2:So, admittedly, I am unfamiliar with you, know what you're mentioning, but where I can, I guess, meet you at is along the way. I've realized how, especially when you, the more you read on history, the more you just realize that we are just repeating cycles that have just happened, but just in different time periods, you know. So the idea or the concept of monotheism, for example, you know, started with Tutmas, the third right, because before him you basically had Egypt believing in many gods, but then the concept of having one god only started with him, you know, and that concept of having that one god was then borrowed by the Greeks, and they, you know, we mentioned Horus just as an example, right, and you, you didn't see that there they basically took that same model but created their own, their own gods or own characters to fit their religion, and not that that that's an issue at all, you know. I think there is just value in knowing the fact that Christianity today, at least Orthodox Christianity, is not what the image that they're selling today is, not exactly where it came from and or how it started, you know, and for us, the, I guess, the origins of religion should at the very least begin from the civilization of Egypt and even go further back to look at, you know, ethiopian civilizations to, to start to understand what we used to believe.
Speaker 2:You know there's a lady named Sada Meyer I think I'm pronouncing that right and so she's. She's done some research in the Horn of Africa where she's looking at how communities existed pre-colonial period, when you still had people who believed in Islam. You know you had people who believed in other religions. But they happened, they managed to coexist with no conflict and everything was fine up until a certain period where somehow those religions became almost weaponized in a way, and then it brewed this hate amongst each other and you know that then also fueled things such as tribalism first in the papyrus of Ani, the Egyptians, the so-called Egyptians in the north, the black Egyptians, they said they owe their civilization to the south, to the interior of Africa, they owe their civilization to down south Ethiopia and the area of the mountains of the moon.
Speaker 1:The civilization that people say it's at the north was built because they were descendants of people of the south. And you can prove this by saying that the pyramids of Giza, the three peaks, are an imitation of Mount Kenya. Before you became a pharaoh, you had to come to be initiated at Mount Kenya.
Speaker 2:Okay and so, like in in in Kenya right now we are there I'd be interested to know whether there are any artifacts or any you know any ruins, because obviously, if they are doing initiation ceremonies, I would imagine that there would be on a almost grand stage, so to speak, or at least there would be some physical structures still there for some of those ceremonies, because you see, what I'm saying is not in the mainstream, it's not anywhere.
Speaker 1:It's not said, because the mysteries of Africa remain with the Africans and when some mysteries, some, some mysteries will not be believed by their own people.
Speaker 2:And so like, how do we then? Because obviously you know it is integral that at the end of the day, we do believe right, especially as Africans. So if it's something that obviously you know, you and I believe it's valuable to to truly understand it and know our culture, you know how does the less mainstream become mainstream.
Speaker 1:Because even like there was this Caucasian in Ethiopia I think it's called James something. He said the concept of spirituality or God came from Ethiopia in his book, james I think his name is James Preston something. So people at the north oigt to the people at the south because they came from the south. They went to the north and they later and the migration was on and they came back yet again because the Africans in the interior did not create physical places of connecting to the spiritual. Because the moment you create a physical place you have to modulate it with energy, you have to take the energy from the environment and modulate that shrine. But Africans went to the trees, they went to the actual energy transmitters.
Speaker 2:So nature in a way, yeah, yeah. So going back to religion for a bit, right. So so, before there was Orthodox Christianity, you know there was Gnosticism, right, and that I've gathered to have represented. You know religious ideologies where you know the, the Christian movement considered to be heresy. So Gnostics believe and you know you can correct me if I'm wrong here Gnostics believe that to know oneself is to know human nature and to understand purpose. And you know, simultaneously, that all encompasses knowing God.
Speaker 2:Right, so the Gnostic Gospels, along with other texts, some of them, have been rediscovered. They were buried during the early Christian era, right, and part of the reason that they were buried was because they were at that time they were promoting the idea of universalism, or at least Christianity, as a doctrine. Right, because obviously it was serving a purpose, and I think that would have been around as it constantains reign. So, if you look in the, in the 14th century, right, we had Akhenatan who heralded, you know, this religious revolution and to what I mentioned before, right, he then introduced the idea of one God. So you, as the headmaster of Attenementary School, right, can you share what your school is about and what impact that you hope to have on people?
Speaker 1:First, every religion has an esoteric side of it. Christianity has Gnosticism, judaism has Kabbalah, islam has Sufism. So there's the religion of the ship, the common heart, and there's the religion of the people who know themselves.
Speaker 2:Okay, and so like which one? So which one of those esoteric practices do you relate with the most, whether it's from a spiritual sense or intellectual sense?
Speaker 1:I don't like Gnosticism, but you mentioned the Gnostic schools and they were found in Africa. They weren't found in Europe. They weren't found in Middle East.
Speaker 2:And are they currently in a museum in Egypt?
Speaker 1:I don't know what they did with them, because they've stolen everything. The only thing, the only thing that they didn't steal was the pyramid. Yeah, because they couldn't take it. The pyramids couldn't fit in their museums. So I study some Kabbalah, because Kabbalah is African science. Sufism means just knowledge, like from the what Sufi.
Speaker 2:Sufiah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, and then so you're saying Kabbalah is the African science, like, do you mind explaining a little bit, and what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1:Because the Torah, the Kabbalah comes from the Torah, the people that call themselves the Kabbalists. The Kabbalah is more the Torah. The ancient Torah is all about sacrificing. All those rituals in the Torah are being done by African communities right now in Africa, but the people who call themselves Hebrews right now they don't do the rituals. The Africans do the rituals, even without reading the rituals in Exodus, the rituals in Leviticus but they don't read because, by default, they are spiritual, because it's their culture that was written and then copied by another people.
Speaker 1:And then since I partake in the actual African rituals, I know for free that Kabbalah or Kafara is an African science.
Speaker 2:Now I get what you say when you're talking about how it's not mainstream, right, and which is part of what makes it difficult is that what we are taught in the mainstream makes it then difficult to understand what's not in the mainstream, which in some cases, as you're saying right, happened to then be the origins as to our beliefs and our traditions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you asked me. You asked me at a ministry school so that people might understand. But ministry schools are not physical places as such. Passing knowledge, oral knowledge, it's an oral tradition thing. So that's why you can't find the stories about the pharaohs coming to Mount Kenya. Of course you can see the lakes that they got into after finishing the ritual and all that, but there was no actual. It's not something to be talked about in the mainstream, it's hidden knowledge. Yeah, so at a ministry school. It's all about so that people might understand me when people in the outside Africa it's more of like Harry Potter, hogwarts Temple feel I'm just trying to pass a point so that people might understand, so that people will understand. So I'm sure you're a fan of Harry Potter.
Speaker 2:You're a fan of Harry Potter.
Speaker 1:Because there are school of school of Hogwarts. Right, there are school of school of Hogwarts. Hogwarts was an imitation of ancient African, ancient Egyptian, African mystery schools when people from all across the globe came together knowledge of advanced disciplines. Harry Potter came from the imitation of African ancient mystery systems and you can see even the title Harry Potter. I think I have a book. I have one of the books of the series. Harry Potter is Horace, Potter is Peter. I'm sure you're familiar with Horace and Peter.
Speaker 2:Peter, no, so do you mind explaining both? Just for the audience.
Speaker 1:There are two dates, because they can't create something. They can't just name him, they have to code him. It's a code when your mind opens up and it starts to see the codes that they use, how you see people from across the world going to Hogwarts is the same thing that happened to Egypt, and when Voldemort is rebelling, it's the priests who were fighting amongst each other, like maybe the Amun priests and Aten priests. It's like Voldemort and what's his name? The guy with the beard, dumbledore. But you can't be spiritual without Melanie.
Speaker 2:So you think it's only reserved for people with Melanie, like spirituality is only reserved for people with Melanie.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, Predominantly doing that kind of magic and all that. Even that aspect of going to school and passing through a wall is an African thing when they used to go to school. And they go through a wall, then they go to another place.
Speaker 2:It's an African thing.
Speaker 1:And in Mount Kenya. You can ascend Mount Kenya and descend in Mount.
Speaker 2:Kairash. So where's Mount Kairash?
Speaker 1:Where's Mount Kairash? I would like you to google that right now.
Speaker 2:Okay, so it's saying that the mountain is in China?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can ascend up Mount Kenya and descend in Mount Kairash, but you can't ascend Mount Kairash and come to Mount Kenya, because Mount Kenya is the highest, most central part on earth. It's the only mountain along the equator.
Speaker 2:Huh, okay, but like, how would I get to China though?
Speaker 1:When you ascend, you'll descend in another place. It's the same way that you would see a reporter. They would get into the wall and get to school. How can you explain that? How?
Speaker 2:did you understand that?
Speaker 1:If you can understand that, you can break down that.
Speaker 2:Well, in Harry Potter, I know it's magic. So in this case, though, is it an allegory?
Speaker 1:No, it's not an allegory. Mount Kenya is a portal. You can also get lost. It's not a must. You descend at Mount Kairash, you can also get lost.
Speaker 2:Is that where the priests would come in, in the sense that they are people who have that spiritual knowledge?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's where the pharaohs became God. The title pharaoh, or they got the title Son of Light or they became a Son of God. So the issue about Son of God is not about Jesus, Because when you're initiated, using that science, to become a Son of Light or a Son of God, that's why Jesus, when he was young, he went to Egypt. And then he went to Egypt because he joined the order of Mizraim. It's where he was initiated. That's how I tell you. When I see the New Testament and you see the rituals that he's doing, you can see the Africanness in them. But the New Testament is also very corrupt. But the actual rituals I can see in them. But they have tampered with everything and whitewashed everything. The New Testament is also the greatest in the brainwashed tool ever.
Speaker 2:That I can agree with you in the sense that that's how I see Christianity. I think and I see value in the scriptures being lessons, so not exactly being things that did happen in the physical realm per se. But then when they talk about the eating of five fish and two loaves, or five loaves and two fish, when they talk about him speaking to a burning bush, I don't see those in the literal sense of those words, of that story. I understand it as a matter of symbolism, to represent or to mean something. That's how I see it. So I then also then start to get the picture in the sense that, well, christianity did borrow from something else that came before it and that also borrowed from something else that preceded it, which is classical humanity anyway, because not very few things are new. A lot of things are just a recreation of what originally was there before Christianity would. So what does that resemble to you?
Speaker 1:Christianity is Christ and Christ is the ascended black one. Krishna, buddha, christ is the ascended black man and Christ is just having that humanity or whatever they say is love and all that. But they hide it. They hide it, they've shortchanged it. It's not a real thing. Whatever they preach is not a real thing, because you can't bring Christianity to people at the same time you're enslaving them. Christianity actually in Africa is a continuation of slavery and colonialism. It's a continuation of slavery and colonialism. Christianity in Africa.
Speaker 2:The model to what you're saying, right, the model that's being taught to us. That is so. That version that's been created has been done so with the intention of controlling or perpetuating.
Speaker 1:Even the Eurocentric God behind it.
Speaker 2:We had someone throwing a question that Well, I guess they made a point and gonna try to derive what the question is from that. So they were making the point that Nubians and Egyptians are often mistaken to be the same. Is this something that you can clarify on?
Speaker 1:I can say like Egypt was a melting point for many tribes, many African, a glutination of many tribes, because I think each individual God in Egypt, or each individual personality of talking to nature that they call God is, you can explain that aspect in every native language. If it's menace you can see moina in shona you can explain that using your native, whatever that is. If it's Osiris, we know them as Mushiri, washeera, that shir, that Osir is in different tribes in Africa. That's what Egyptologists couldn't understand. So each individual tribe can explain an aspect in Kermit that is currently invaded by the Pail Arabs. There's no way European or a Pail Arab or a Pail Hindu will come later into the scene and create a spirituality that is advanced than the people who birthed them.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm actually grateful for this person who sent us this question, because I don't actually know the distinction between your Nubians versus your Egyptians, and correct me if I'm wrong here. So Nubians would be different area for a start. But then also, is it that the Egyptians came from Nubia or?
Speaker 1:I'm not quite sure. Of course Nubia is older than what we call Kermit right now, Because the civilization went the source of the Nile. They said they owe that civilization to the source of the Nile and the source of the Nile is south. So of course civilization went up the Nile. So I would say Sudan or Nubia is older, or Ethiopia is older than Kermit or Egypt, the northern part.
Speaker 2:And that's how the civilizations would have gone right, starting from there and then working their way up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's obvious that the pharaohs were initiated in down south, so there's something special about down south. But our attention is on the pyramids, of course, because that's what the Egyptology, of course, yeah, that's the degree that they sent people to towards.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and interesting enough because there are pyramids that are not in Egypt, and older as well. So it obviously indicates that there's a lot more work to be done within just that space to really truly know these African civilizations, because there's so much more that we don't know. And I think what's really important is for us to control that narrative, because we've seen what's happened when we don't control the narrative of how our culture is written and spoken about, right, but this has been dope, having you on to share a really different light to what people commonly know and think, and myself included as well, because we only know what we know and what we tend to know is based off curriculums that obviously haven't best served us in certain ways, especially when it comes to our own history. So I thank you for the difference in perspective that you bring and how your work is highlighting the importance in challenging the status quo, or at least challenging what we just normally accept to be knowledge of our culture or our people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was also a pleasure and thank you for having me. And whatever we call Egyptology is, it's a mythology. Whatever is in the current mainstream is just another bearing that they've given you to direct you to other places. They can have chemists. They can have it, like those people Arabs they can have it. But chemists remains in our hearts. It remains in our DNA. Do you know how much knowledge we have in a gram of DNA, of black DNA? It's trillions of knowledge. So they can have the sand pyramids. We don't want the sand pyramids.
Speaker 2:Take them. Yeah, yeah, so. Yeah, it's interesting as well when you're uncovering these things. Right, because the common narrative that is pushed is that we've always been the ones that are lesser than Right, so we've always had to measure up. But then when you start to then read up on it, then you realize, wait a minute, but we are the originators.
Speaker 2:People then came and borrowed, but then, you know, people understand the concept of plagiarism when it's in uni, but they don't understand it when it comes to African history versus European history. Right, because they can comfortably talk about how great the Greek or the Roman Empire was, right, they can talk about all the things that they introduced to the world and how they contribute to our world today, but then they fail to even mention how all of that would have come from Africa, you know. So it does beg the question that what's the motive? Right, why are people so hard pressed to? Not because we're, not even because of it's, not about who's better, right, it's just about what. If it's, if it is something that happened in history, then let it be told, right, let's let's speak the truth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not about who's better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just on the truth, yeah, because you holding it out from me then makes me believe that there's something more to this than you're telling. I'm really grateful, especially us powering through the technical issues that took us a while to get to. You know and and and last week as well. So I'm definitely grateful that this has happened, because I've been wanting it to happen for a minute. So I'm really thankful for your time and you know your, your thoughts, sharing what you believe, and I definitely do hope at the very least people become curious and look up things on their own, because I, you know, to what you're saying, to to understand that knowledge that is not mainstream, you have to put in the effort. So I hope at the very least this has spurred some curiosity in some people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's been.
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